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speaker john boehner who has signaled he does support some kind of sandy aid has not decided to bring it up for vote in this session of congress. this session ends on thursday. if it is not brought up by then the bill will expire and the next congress will have to started on it all over again. >> gregg: molly henneberg, molly thanks. >> arthel: mixed messages on fiscal cliff, next today. republican senator lindsay graham expressing optimism on deal and president obama is calling out lawmakers for rejecting offers for last month. >> what do you think the chances of a small deal in the less 48 hours to avoid the cliff? >> exceedingly good. i think what have we accomplished, a political vick for the president. the president has stood his ground. he is going to get tax rate increases but upper income americans and sad news for the country we have accomplished very little of not becoming greece. this won't affect the debt situation. it will be a political victory for the president and i hope we'll have the courage of our convictions when it comes time to raise the debt ceiling to fight for
speaker john boehner who has signaled he does support some kind of sandy aid has not decided to bring it up for vote in this session of congress. this session ends on thursday. if it is not brought up by then the bill will expire and the next congress will have to started on it all over again. >> gregg: molly henneberg, molly thanks. >> arthel: mixed messages on fiscal cliff, next today. republican senator lindsay graham expressing optimism on deal and president obama is calling out...
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how does john boehner come out looking after what happened over the past four weeks? guest: it is hard to see anything positive. he took on the negotiants for the republicans. he failed to get his own house to come along. plan b, clancy, -- plan c, and now he is seated negotiants to harry reid. -- negotiations to harry reid. it is certainly possible that he may have trouble getting reelected as speaker. he may get 20 or so to party boats to vote against them or not vote at all. i could stop him from being reelected. host: what are the pitfalls for harry reid and mitch mcconnell? guest: mcconnell is up for reelection in 2014. if he agrees with the white house on something, particularly tax increases, it will hurt him in his election. remember rand paul -- mcconnell has less room to maneuver. for harry reid, a lot of his reputation is on the line. can he put something on the floor of the senate that some democrats will support? guest: the biggest loser is the unemployed and those trying to get jobs. that is what this is about. really, people need to step back and realiz
how does john boehner come out looking after what happened over the past four weeks? guest: it is hard to see anything positive. he took on the negotiants for the republicans. he failed to get his own house to come along. plan b, clancy, -- plan c, and now he is seated negotiants to harry reid. -- negotiations to harry reid. it is certainly possible that he may have trouble getting reelected as speaker. he may get 20 or so to party boats to vote against them or not vote at all. i could stop him...
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what does john boehner do if mitch mcconnell and harry reed come to an agreement? >> that is the question if something is done on the senate side, craig, there's been the talk about house republicans as in any majority, you end up bringing the majority of the legislation that is support bid the majority, and if john boehner brings something to the floor that doesn't have the support of the majority of the house republicans, there could be some type of -- his speakership could be threatened, who ends up trying to run against him, you just don't know. about the likelihood of john boehner bringing legislation that is supported mostly by democrats and a handful of republicans will bring him some trouble. that's a dynamic to watch. >> mark murray, senior political editor, thanks to you, sir. for more on what could happen as the fiscal cliff counts down. i want bring in the senior congressional reporter in politico. it's clear from what was said yesterday, that he believes that the senate leaders can put together a deal. take a listen. >> i just had a good and constructi
what does john boehner do if mitch mcconnell and harry reed come to an agreement? >> that is the question if something is done on the senate side, craig, there's been the talk about house republicans as in any majority, you end up bringing the majority of the legislation that is support bid the majority, and if john boehner brings something to the floor that doesn't have the support of the majority of the house republicans, there could be some type of -- his speakership could be...
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. >> reporter: sources say house speaker john boehner deferred to senate colleagues and told him house leaders were consider, accept or amend their plan, what's not expected to be included is increasing the debt limit, something that democrats wanted and republicans have resisted. if senate leaders cannot strike a deal, the president wants congress to vote on what would be plan c. it would focus on three key areas, keeping tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less. extending unemployment benefits and delay dramatic spending cuts until late next year. top senate republicans sound hopeful a deal can be reached. >> we are engaged in discussions, majority leader and myself, and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> among the issues to be hammered out shall the threshold for extending the push tax cuts and president obama campaigned and sounds like, 400,000 may be where they're heading. a leader says that permanency is key, and fixing the deat
. >> reporter: sources say house speaker john boehner deferred to senate colleagues and told him house leaders were consider, accept or amend their plan, what's not expected to be included is increasing the debt limit, something that democrats wanted and republicans have resisted. if senate leaders cannot strike a deal, the president wants congress to vote on what would be plan c. it would focus on three key areas, keeping tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less. extending unemployment...
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john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the republicans on this? they should have stayed firm on the ryan plan. it was the best . back track a year ago. this stems from the failure of the super committee that stemmed from the simpson-bowles commission failing. simpson-bowles. they got together and made the recommendation to president obama who commissioned that study can. >> kelly: and yet rejected it. >> that fail would and went to the super committee. they need to get together. >> julia: if you watched fox news channel yesterday. there is a map with red dots and that is the newspaper and the lower hudson valley of upstate new york published the addresses of gun owners and now as you were talking eric, one lawmaker want to make that illegal. >> lawmaker state senator greg ball had this to say on cavuto. >> it is not upon illegal. this is not the first time the editorial board has done it. we have a bipartisan bill in the assembly and it is it a liberal new york state . this bill can get done. it is not about the second amendment only. it is a priv
john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the republicans on this? they should have stayed firm on the ryan plan. it was the best . back track a year ago. this stems from the failure of the super committee that stemmed from the simpson-bowles commission failing. simpson-bowles. they got together and made the recommendation to president obama who commissioned that study can. >> kelly: and yet rejected it. >> that fail would and went to the super...
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. >> how is john boehner going to get the votes. he couldn't get the votes for his plan b. >> a week ago we were closer than we have been before. >> do they presume the voters are that dumb? >> they passed it. >> they did it noing that they are unable to make deals on anything. >> how about complete chaos? >> there ought to be a new rule in congress. >> you cannot create anymore artificial crisis. >> tim geithner wrote a letter to congress. we are going to hit the debt ceiling. it never ends. >> happy new year's america. ♪ >> 29 and a half hours that is how long congress will have to avoid going over the fiscal curve on sunday night. >> if we go over the cliff, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days left after today with the first of the year, aren't here. i can't mamg they are out wherever they r and we are here trying to get something done. >> president obama called leaders last night and tomorrow afternoon we will meet with the speaker and mix mcconnel and harry reid to see if they can avoid goin
. >> how is john boehner going to get the votes. he couldn't get the votes for his plan b. >> a week ago we were closer than we have been before. >> do they presume the voters are that dumb? >> they passed it. >> they did it noing that they are unable to make deals on anything. >> how about complete chaos? >> there ought to be a new rule in congress. >> you cannot create anymore artificial crisis. >> tim geithner wrote a letter to congress....
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john boehner cares more about keeping the speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> i'm frustrated because we have been asking the president and the democrats to work with us on a bipartisan agreement for months. literally for months. >> doug: late breaking news from mitch mcconnell's office. we hear all parties have been invited to a meeting at the white house tomorrow. however, we are hearing also from the senior democratic aides there is no such meeting and from boehner's people that they haven't been invited. welcome to washington. fiscal cliff negotiations as if to signify how america wants the parties to come together. starbucks barristas today are hand signing each of the coffee cup with the words "come together." anything will do at this point. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." a.b. stoddard, associate editor of the hill. sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. a.b., the res tent numbers-cruncher. what do you make of the back and forth today? >> today was about the drama on both sides and blame game and showing they were going to com
john boehner cares more about keeping the speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> i'm frustrated because we have been asking the president and the democrats to work with us on a bipartisan agreement for months. literally for months. >> doug: late breaking news from mitch mcconnell's office. we hear all parties have been invited to a meeting at the white house tomorrow. however, we are hearing also from the senior democratic aides there is no such meeting...
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does john boehner need nancy pelosi in order to get anything passed? >> reporter: yes, absolutely. no question about it. that became incredibly obvious when he couldn't even get his own republicans to effectively save them from themselves and at least have some political cover by voting to keep tax cuts in place for everybody except millionaires because they said they wouldn't help him with what they call a political ploy. i think that's true but actually talking to people on both sides of the aisle here, because the ball is now in the senate -- the senate's court, the feeling is that if they can kind of break the dam in the senate and if something actually passes, you've already seen over the past two days house republicans saying that they hadn't said before, if the senate passes something, we'll take it up. and if that's the case, the sort of betting is that with the help of the majority of the democrats, probably most of the democrats and maybe, you know, a few dozen or more republicans, that's how it would get passed. but, candy, it's still a big if, as we just witnessed, whet
does john boehner need nancy pelosi in order to get anything passed? >> reporter: yes, absolutely. no question about it. that became incredibly obvious when he couldn't even get his own republicans to effectively save them from themselves and at least have some political cover by voting to keep tax cuts in place for everybody except millionaires because they said they wouldn't help him with what they call a political ploy. i think that's true but actually talking to people on both sides...
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you have to remember that john boehner actually gave in on the principle of raising tax rates for the highest earners. he wanted to set it at one million dollars. president wanted 250 or maybe 400,000. but boehner gave in on that principle and i talked to republicans. it sounds to me like 80 to 85% of the republicans in the house were willing to vote with boehner on that issue. they were willing to go for raising tax rates on the highest earners. there was at least 200 republican votes. so that is something to work with. and it is entirely possible there could be a deal along those lines that includes democratic votes to get boehner over the top in the house. gregg: i was going to say, if harry reid passes it in the senate, then it goes to the house you about, the republicans who voted down plan b or didn't even get a chance to vote down plan b but they would havep a parently, they're going to wish they had voted in favor of plan b, won't they? >> well it could be because plan. about was at least a million dollars. but all the attention has been paid to those republican who is stopped
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harry reid and john boehner for instance said -- the speaker saying the senate should take it up. harry reid is speaking on the floor. let's take a listen. >> because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll give them 48 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences where they are around the country and we're here trying to get something done. they are not in washington, d.c. the house of representatives are not here. they couldn't even get the leadership together yesterday. they had to do it with a teleconference. republican leadership. if we go over the cliff, we'll be left with the knowledge that could have been about a single vote. mr. speaker, prior to this session starting today, the presiding officer and i had a conversation about how things have changed around here. i served in the house of represe
harry reid and john boehner for instance said -- the speaker saying the senate should take it up. harry reid is speaking on the floor. let's take a listen. >> because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll give...
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the house will be controlled by john boehner so it is divided. it's the idea that if they go home for christmas break, if they go over the cliff and if they do invest in the debt ceiling, people will get spooked because you hear stories about social security recipients and facing the checks in government. unemployment insurance dried up and payroll tax cuts. the paycheck will show that more is taken out for the tax. that will in turn cause the type of pressure on the new income in congress. it's interesting that we have the same with k. bailey hutchinson. what's gotten her is fleethat t will go home and obama will introduce his own package and they have nothing to do but accept it. or they get blamed for everything. >> can you recall a time in your life and your politics, a couple of years at least, a comparable level of incompetence in washington. >> the last four years. i spent some of the time over the holidays for my since reading about this. my overall reaction is groundhog day. it's the same issues. some of the same players and the same que
the house will be controlled by john boehner so it is divided. it's the idea that if they go home for christmas break, if they go over the cliff and if they do invest in the debt ceiling, people will get spooked because you hear stories about social security recipients and facing the checks in government. unemployment insurance dried up and payroll tax cuts. the paycheck will show that more is taken out for the tax. that will in turn cause the type of pressure on the new income in congress....
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john boehner talked about being optimistic, but he also said only god knows what's going to happen now. here is -- when the president gets in today, the senate will not get in until late tonight. what kind of work are they possibly going to do? >> clayton: right. >> kelly: in terms of doing the people's business. >> clayton: i read a report that says there is not enough time to get it done, to review it -- to get it all ironed out, there is physically not enough time for these guys to get back and hammer it out. >> juliet: you think about this is such a huge deal for our country! all right. so we're going to move to another disaster. lot of people's travel plans brought to a screeching halt because you've got wind, snow, rain. microphone sun here with all the -- mike tobin is here with alt wonderful news. you're in chicago. >> anyway, looks like you're still getting it around new york city and upstate new york, central pennsylvania, get comfortable because the national weather service says you may be looking at as much as two feet of snow accumulating. yesterday the midwest got it the
john boehner talked about being optimistic, but he also said only god knows what's going to happen now. here is -- when the president gets in today, the senate will not get in until late tonight. what kind of work are they possibly going to do? >> clayton: right. >> kelly: in terms of doing the people's business. >> clayton: i read a report that says there is not enough time to get it done, to review it -- to get it all ironed out, there is physically not enough time for these...
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. >>> if you're a member of congress and a member of the tea party, who's your boss, john boehner, m.i.t. rom mitt romney? don't bet on it. the angry man or woman in the back row of the tea party, the angry one that stands up and scolds him, you betrayed us, you are one of them. do they want to be the person who voted with the party leadership or worse yet, the democratic president, or the one who voted against all of that and stayed true to the purity of running the tea party. and feel like a green giant. ♪ ho ho ho ♪ green giant progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.
. >>> if you're a member of congress and a member of the tea party, who's your boss, john boehner, m.i.t. rom mitt romney? don't bet on it. the angry man or woman in the back row of the tea party, the angry one that stands up and scolds him, you betrayed us, you are one of them. do they want to be the person who voted with the party leadership or worse yet, the democratic president, or the one who voted against all of that and stayed true to the purity of running the tea party. and...
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. >>> if you're a member of congress and a member of the tea party, who's your boss, john boehner, m.i.t. rmitt romney?
. >>> if you're a member of congress and a member of the tea party, who's your boss, john boehner, m.i.t. rmitt romney?
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but really with the senate, john boehner, eric cantor with mccarthy and morris are saying is there are two bills the house passed to deal with the fiscal cliff that are now over the united states senate. if the senate wants to do anything with them, amend them and send them back to the house and perhaps the house will act on it. essentially what boehner is saying is we're not making any moves until the senate amends the two bills we passed over or sends a new one. what are in those bills? well, they essentially extend the bush tax cuts permanently for all earners. and then to avert the sequester and other types of cuts, they make what a lot of liberals have called draconian cuts to meals on wheels, food stamps. it goes into discretionary spending. the house passed bills are absolutely would go nowhere. and would be vee toad by president obama. so this is what we're seeing on the statement the day after christmas is while you guys figure out some solution, we wash our hands of it. >> as a follow-up, i'm putting my press secretary hat on for a second and say the response i would expect f
but really with the senate, john boehner, eric cantor with mccarthy and morris are saying is there are two bills the house passed to deal with the fiscal cliff that are now over the united states senate. if the senate wants to do anything with them, amend them and send them back to the house and perhaps the house will act on it. essentially what boehner is saying is we're not making any moves until the senate amends the two bills we passed over or sends a new one. what are in those bills? well,...
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. >> you could say the president gave john boehner a political mulligan. how is that for golf talk, america? >> there we go. >> who says i haven't been on the links? i wish i had my eye black, but i do have -- i should have put this on before the break. i can't do it. it goes on my wrist. >> the dress code was open for interpretation. >> ari melber charting new sartorial territory. that is a fetching color for you, chairman. >> thank you, thank you, ho, ho hey! >> kurt andersen, would you buy a too legit to mitt shirt? >> i have several. >> only capitol hill correspondent who may or may not be wearing boat shoes at this moment. >> how are you, my friend? >> luke russert joins the panel next on "now." look at those boat shoes. >> i'm just a brother looking for a cigar, book, and a fireplace. >> if you start running your hands through the mashed potatoes at the dinner table, everyone else does. >> the man who does not believe in unicorns, what do you think of the attitude regarding minorities in this country? >> nothing. >> terrific point. >> thank you, gove
. >> you could say the president gave john boehner a political mulligan. how is that for golf talk, america? >> there we go. >> who says i haven't been on the links? i wish i had my eye black, but i do have -- i should have put this on before the break. i can't do it. it goes on my wrist. >> the dress code was open for interpretation. >> ari melber charting new sartorial territory. that is a fetching color for you, chairman. >> thank you, thank you, ho, ho...
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. >> speaker of the house, john boehner, is expected to come back to washington at any time as well. before he went back to ohio and president obama went to hawaii, they were believed to be about $400 billion apart in spending cuts and tax increases. speaker boehner even had to withdraw the so-called plan b measure in the house that would raise taxes on millionaires, but keep them low for everyone else because there just wasn't enough gop support in the house. but even after all that, the speaker says this weekend he thought lawmakers could still steer us away from the fiscal cliff. >> of course, hope springs eternal. and i know we have it in us to come together and do the right thing. we'll continue to work with our colleagues and the congress and the white house on a plan that forgets families and businesses. >> we don't know if president obama will make it back to hawaii to finish his family vacation. we're told it all depends how negotiations go. back to you. >> gretchen: peter doocy live in d.c thanks very much. >> rick: are you ready for your taxes to go up? we've been talking
. >> speaker of the house, john boehner, is expected to come back to washington at any time as well. before he went back to ohio and president obama went to hawaii, they were believed to be about $400 billion apart in spending cuts and tax increases. speaker boehner even had to withdraw the so-called plan b measure in the house that would raise taxes on millionaires, but keep them low for everyone else because there just wasn't enough gop support in the house. but even after all that, the...
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i think john boehner went through a devastating experience this last week when he called for a vote and did not have a vote. his troops abandoned him. it has been ongoing for a while, his relationship with some of these freshman. he is having a difficult time and i think he has been rendered -- left in a weakened state going forward. i think the people who still have power here -- the white house and the senate -- suddenly i think there is more and more attention given to senate republicans. it is not clear whether mitch mcconnell wants to play a role because he has a campaign coming in 2014. for some people on the far right, the idea that mitch mcconnell would make a deal with obama could be acceptable. you have 10 or more republican senators who say they are willing to do business with president obama in terms of approving an increase in the marginal tax rates. if that is the case, if you could get them to pass some kind of bill and then send it on to the house, and all boehner said was i will allow a vote, and you have democrats and some republicans feeling pressure joining in, you c
i think john boehner went through a devastating experience this last week when he called for a vote and did not have a vote. his troops abandoned him. it has been ongoing for a while, his relationship with some of these freshman. he is having a difficult time and i think he has been rendered -- left in a weakened state going forward. i think the people who still have power here -- the white house and the senate -- suddenly i think there is more and more attention given to senate republicans. it...
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house speaker john boehner tried to get an alternative plan through the house. that didn't work out. now the focus shifts to the senate. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to try to hammer out some sort of a compromise to avoid going over the cliff, but as you pointed out in your introduction, a lot of senators over the weekend expressed concern that, in fact, we will go over the fiscal cliff. of course, if is that happens, the economy could eventually slip back into recession. one interesting point, thomas, though, last time that members of congress worked between christmas and new year's was 1996. that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's travel plans at this point in time. the reality is i think the president is h
house speaker john boehner tried to get an alternative plan through the house. that didn't work out. now the focus shifts to the senate. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to try to hammer out some sort of a compromise to avoid going over the cliff, but as you pointed out in your introduction, a lot of senators over the weekend expressed concern that, in fact, we will go over the fiscal cliff. of course, if is that happens, the economy could eventually...
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the president and john boehner have not had any phone contact since friday. their staffs are still communicating but still really very little progress, jaime. >> reporter: thank you so much,ed appreciate the report at that early hour there in hawaii. merry christmas. >> reporter: meanwhile some senators are suggesting the only option now to avoid a fiscal cliff is a scaled-back deal to stop tax increases for most americans. we just hear heard heard ed elude to that. we are joined my jaime. what happens if the president and congress fail to reach an agreement on averting this so-called fiscal cliff? >> well, we go over it. you know, maybe the analogy of fiscal cliff that everyone is using might not be perfect because that doesn't end everything. there will be negotiations afterwards. in fact republicans who think that we are going overlook to the debt ceiling hike that will have to happen some time in the beginning of next year, perhaps at the end of january, or early february, at the point where negotiations will really pick up again, because they'll have som
the president and john boehner have not had any phone contact since friday. their staffs are still communicating but still really very little progress, jaime. >> reporter: thank you so much,ed appreciate the report at that early hour there in hawaii. merry christmas. >> reporter: meanwhile some senators are suggesting the only option now to avoid a fiscal cliff is a scaled-back deal to stop tax increases for most americans. we just hear heard heard ed elude to that. we are joined my...
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the white house no longer really having any substantive conversations with house speaker john boehner or senate minority leader mitch mcconnell which is key in finding something to get through the senate and perhaps because of that, i guess some of that pessimism that you are hearing from republicans like senator brasso, shared by democrats. take a listen. >> i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not and that -- if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> so all eyes now on the senate, which will reconvene on thursday. senate majority leader harry reid has the task of trying to cobble something together that can get through, not only the senate, probably with republican support, but also through the house of representatives with some republican support. the white house still publicly saying they want the threshold for tax cuts to remain at $250,000 and below for folks to see tax cuts preserved what we hear from both sides, democrats and republi
the white house no longer really having any substantive conversations with house speaker john boehner or senate minority leader mitch mcconnell which is key in finding something to get through the senate and perhaps because of that, i guess some of that pessimism that you are hearing from republicans like senator brasso, shared by democrats. take a listen. >> i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not and that -- if we allow that to happen, it will be the most...
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there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it will turn out. >> chris: we will take a break here and we will still be able to discuss this next week. a tough report about the benghazi attack and the president starts to put together his new national security team. >>> i want somebody to ask secretary clinton why didn't you you go on tv 16 september when secretary or ambassador are rice says that secretary clinton wasn't available because she was sick and giving grief counseling to the people in the department of state. >> chris: nascar lindsay graham not satisfied with a new report that found systemic failures at the state department contributed to the de
there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it...
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a lot of them were imported from the staff of john boehner. guest: we are so used to these losing presidential campaigns, the two running mates, in and it was not so vivid in this case. in fact, what i think was less though, but even compared to other campaigns, paul ryan wanted to be more of a jack kemp conservative, talking about empowering lower-income voters. he was denied a way to do that in a full throttle way. there was what we were just talking about in a while. he advocated early on to do an automotive advertisements based on his home town in wisconsin, which had a big gm plant. guest: he supported the bailout. it is " yes. but i think they got along pretty well. there were some areas of tension, but for the most part, for all of the buzz about paul ryan when he was picked, he became a pretty conventional running mate in terms of his impact, which was not very significant. host: we go now to our caller. caller: thank you. the presidential level, 2016, in particular, with hillary clinton it appearing to be already the nominee, and then
a lot of them were imported from the staff of john boehner. guest: we are so used to these losing presidential campaigns, the two running mates, in and it was not so vivid in this case. in fact, what i think was less though, but even compared to other campaigns, paul ryan wanted to be more of a jack kemp conservative, talking about empowering lower-income voters. he was denied a way to do that in a full throttle way. there was what we were just talking about in a while. he advocated early on to...
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there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it will turn out. >> chris: we will take a break here and we will still be able to discuss this next week. a tough report about the benghazi attack and the president starts to put together his new national security team. look, if you have copd like me, you know it can be hard to breathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open for 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not re
there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it...
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there's really no indication that paul ryan wants to go against john boehner. in fact, from all the reporting that we've done, john boehner and paul ryan seem pretty close, even though they have differed on some things. it seems orchestrated, to be honest, and to give paul ryan potentially a chance later on maybe to be speaker when john boehner leaves. >> one more question for kristen. what happens to other issues like gun control and immigration? which one of those in particular would the president most likely top his agenda with? >> well, i think gun control right now certainly has been taking up the majority of the president's focus in light of the tragedy in connecticut, so what's interesting is several weeks ago we would have said immigration, but gun control has certainly moved up to the forefront. i think immigration is still going to be a big issue on president obama's policy agenda in the new year, but i do think gun control is going to be right up there with immigration. melissa? >> kristen, thank you. >> what do you think? >> i really think immigrati
there's really no indication that paul ryan wants to go against john boehner. in fact, from all the reporting that we've done, john boehner and paul ryan seem pretty close, even though they have differed on some things. it seems orchestrated, to be honest, and to give paul ryan potentially a chance later on maybe to be speaker when john boehner leaves. >> one more question for kristen. what happens to other issues like gun control and immigration? which one of those in particular would...
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there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it will turn out. >> chris: we will take a break here and we will still be able to discuss this next week. a tough report about the benghazi attack and the president starts to put together his new national security team. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. shareable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. hurry in for a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship
there is a fair amount of personal loyalty to john boehner among house republicans. i don't think he will be deposed. >> chris: do we end up going over the cliff or not. >> in december 31 in a bizarre open vote where both party members release the members to vote their conscience they save 98% of taxpayers. >> and the payroll tax cut. is that is not so good for democrats. >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans it...
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president obama, house speaker john boehner, were very close to getting a deal. president obama had given a little on entitlement reform, house speaker john boehner had given a lit until terms of agreeing to increase taxes. but they just couldn't get to the finish line. ultimately, everything sort of fell apart. i've been speaking to aides at the white house who say president obama doesn't feel as though he needs to give in a whole lot more because he won the election and he ran on a platform of increasing taxes on those making $250,000 or more. chuck schumer addressed this issue earlier today. take a listen. >> on taxes, i know it's hard for the republicans, but the president ran on that platform, $250,000. no tax increases to people below but taxes for people above. he won 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls including some republicans. >> reporter: so again there is senator chuck schumer. so certainly still big topic of conversation despite the fact that everyone is now on recess. alex, yesterday we spoke to some folks who said this is rea
president obama, house speaker john boehner, were very close to getting a deal. president obama had given a little on entitlement reform, house speaker john boehner had given a lit until terms of agreeing to increase taxes. but they just couldn't get to the finish line. ultimately, everything sort of fell apart. i've been speaking to aides at the white house who say president obama doesn't feel as though he needs to give in a whole lot more because he won the election and he ran on a platform...
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boehner agrees to let there be a vote on something that will get democratic votes and republican votes and probably shear off his most conservative members. >> that may be true. that may be where this whole thing ends, but i think it still has to be made, this point, that everybody, republicans included on capitol hill, they all know there's going to be a tax increase. they know it. >> done. >> this is coming. even if it doesn't come in sequester, it's going to come in a deal, so they all know that, but for two reasons, one for the seriousness of it, a $16 trillion long-term debt has to be dealt with and also so republicans can say, okay, we got something, a little fiscal sanity, in return for a tax increase. there ought to be plenty room for there because the president and the house -- >> the president suggested -- the president has spending cuts. the reality is there's been compromise and there's been give and we have a way forward not to hurt american people and what we're driving ourselves to is a real fiscal cliff, there will be thousands of dollars cut for families barely making
boehner agrees to let there be a vote on something that will get democratic votes and republican votes and probably shear off his most conservative members. >> that may be true. that may be where this whole thing ends, but i think it still has to be made, this point, that everybody, republicans included on capitol hill, they all know there's going to be a tax increase. they know it. >> done. >> this is coming. even if it doesn't come in sequester, it's going to come in a deal,...
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so, you are dealing -- i kind of feel bad for john boehner, i have to say. he's dealing with a party that refused to raise taxes. meanwhile, 74% of americans want to increase taxes on those making $250,000 or more. two-thirds of the richest americans, the top 1%, making more than 300,000% say they want tax increases on themselves. they are trying to adhere while the country moved in a different direction. >> angela, i have to go to you. you work with the folks on the hill. having dealt with them, what do you think the game is here? is congress to the point i just made or at least the republicans in congress. is the perception they want to bring the government to a standstill? >> i think there are a couple things happening here. you did call it a game. it's a reality. first and foremost, you have a situation where there's not just the fiscal cliff ahead, there's a leadership ahead. you have speaker boehner who demonstrated he cannot lead the most conservative wing of his party. hees been trying to compromise. the reality is the rest of the party does not. the
so, you are dealing -- i kind of feel bad for john boehner, i have to say. he's dealing with a party that refused to raise taxes. meanwhile, 74% of americans want to increase taxes on those making $250,000 or more. two-thirds of the richest americans, the top 1%, making more than 300,000% say they want tax increases on themselves. they are trying to adhere while the country moved in a different direction. >> angela, i have to go to you. you work with the folks on the hill. having dealt...
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boehner among house republicans and he may have made tactical mistakes but i don't think he will be deposed. chris: will we go over the cliff. >> no, i don't think so. if there is an open vote an thai release the members to vote their conscience and, save 9 % of taxpayers from a hike and, taxes are going up on everyone -- >> obamacare. >> and the payroll tax cut and -- >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans. >> chris: okay. . we have to take a break here. and we'll have -- still be able to discuss this next week. when we come back, a tough report about the benghazi attack and the president starts to put together his new natio security team. ♪ >> chris: check out fox news sunday.com for hind-the-scenes features, panel-plus, and, our special monday preview of the week ahead. you can find it, at foxnewssunday.com and be sure and let us know what you think. stay tuned, for more from our panel. ♪ [ male announcermercial ist about getting fios; it's about getting fios. that moment after you finally got it, that you actually get it. whe
boehner among house republicans and he may have made tactical mistakes but i don't think he will be deposed. chris: will we go over the cliff. >> no, i don't think so. if there is an open vote an thai release the members to vote their conscience and, save 9 % of taxpayers from a hike and, taxes are going up on everyone -- >> obamacare. >> and the payroll tax cut and -- >> and the cost of living is going up. >> the democrats did not protect 98% of americans....
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guest: i am not sure that john boehner will be at the table. he said it is now up to the senate, i am going home. it is not taking my ball and going home, but it is doing as much as you can. he is literally looking to his republican colleagues in the senate to work with harry reid to get something acceptable. if he does, that will put significant pressure on house republicans that did not otherwise exist. i want to push back a little bit. since may, i thought that john boehner -- he made a speech back in december where he talked about $1 for spending cuts for every $1 increase in borrowing. red meat for the tea party wing. it was clearly an attempt to say, i am your guy. it is not clear to me at the moment that, one, anybody would want the job, and two, that there really will not be a challenge. it has to come together very quickly. they do not need somebody to beat boehner. all the have to do is withhold 18 republican votes in the house. he would get an absolute majority in would not be elected speaker in the first round. >> robert williams sa
guest: i am not sure that john boehner will be at the table. he said it is now up to the senate, i am going home. it is not taking my ball and going home, but it is doing as much as you can. he is literally looking to his republican colleagues in the senate to work with harry reid to get something acceptable. if he does, that will put significant pressure on house republicans that did not otherwise exist. i want to push back a little bit. since may, i thought that john boehner -- he made a...
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interesting in the wall street journal, what's going on behind closed doors, between john boehner and president obama. it's unclear how they know this, somebody in the room taking notes and who knows whether it was actually the president or john boehner who sent this information. basically the president made a threat. >> clayton: because he feels emboldened after the election and that's what the wall street journal says and he was basically pretty blurnt with the speak the-- blunt with the speaker at one point mr. boehner says i put up 800 billion dollars on tax revenue on the table. what do i get. you get nothing, i get that for free. goes on from there. >> kelly: and the president says, the deal is the not done, i will blame the republicans during the state of the union address. of course, republicans can't afford to have that kind of blame coming as well. there's blame going on in both houses and each one doing something, and isn't the dog in the room, getting something done. >> clayton: where are they call them back. >> kelly: your paycheck, your paycheck, my paycheck, all of our
interesting in the wall street journal, what's going on behind closed doors, between john boehner and president obama. it's unclear how they know this, somebody in the room taking notes and who knows whether it was actually the president or john boehner who sent this information. basically the president made a threat. >> clayton: because he feels emboldened after the election and that's what the wall street journal says and he was basically pretty blurnt with the speak the-- blunt with...
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i would, too, if he was the speaker of the house. >> do you know who john boehner is? >> i have seen him. we use the same tanning bed. >> the fiscal cliff. are you afraid? >> very worried, indeed. >> i'm scared of heights, so. >> are you nervous? >> i think you are making me nervous. ♪ feels just like i'm falling for the first time ♪ >> just the day before the painful spending cuts take place, the bush tax cuts expire. that is why they call it the fiscal cliff. president obama wants to let the taxes go up on the so called rich generating $80 billion in refs. revenue. 8 days of federal spending. less than 1% of the $16 trillion debt. >> do you know how much debt america is in right now 12346789. >> $14 billion or something like that. >> do you know what the national debt is right now? >> no idea. >> i'm going to say 30 something trillion. >> 16 trillion. you just doubled it. >> the fiscal cliff is definitely around the corner. and here to try to break it down so everyone understands it is fox news contributor steven crowder who joins us from dallas, texas. hello, st
i would, too, if he was the speaker of the house. >> do you know who john boehner is? >> i have seen him. we use the same tanning bed. >> the fiscal cliff. are you afraid? >> very worried, indeed. >> i'm scared of heights, so. >> are you nervous? >> i think you are making me nervous. ♪ feels just like i'm falling for the first time ♪ >> just the day before the painful spending cuts take place, the bush tax cuts expire. that is why they call it...
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john boehner is throwing the ball in the democrats' court saying the debt is too high, spending out of control and taxes should not go up. in the g.o.p.'s weekly address, he accused the president and the democrats of refusing to accept a reasonable compromise. >> the best way to address our crippling debt is to make significant spending cuts and fix our tax code. to pave the way for long term growth and opportunity. this is an approach most americans support and remains republicans' highest priority. but we only run the house. democrats continue to run washington. >> reporter: the president left town for his traditional christmas in hawaii and he and his family arriving there this morning and he has gotten in a round of golf already. before leaving the white house, he stayed back hayes spe-- scal back his expectations, and he said it is time for compromise. >> president barack obama: we move forward together sore we don't move forward at all. so, as we leave town for a few days to be with our families for the holidays, i hope it gives everybody perspective. >> reporter: if nothing is d
john boehner is throwing the ball in the democrats' court saying the debt is too high, spending out of control and taxes should not go up. in the g.o.p.'s weekly address, he accused the president and the democrats of refusing to accept a reasonable compromise. >> the best way to address our crippling debt is to make significant spending cuts and fix our tax code. to pave the way for long term growth and opportunity. this is an approach most americans support and remains republicans'...
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john boehner is not good at his job. we've ventured this as a hypothesis very early on in his speakership, i mean right from the beginning. it seemed like there might be something amiss, right? on the first day as speaker, he tried to have republicans pull off the stunt where they would read the whole constitution from the floor of the house. but even on day one, john boehner could not manage his own symbolic gesture. they skipped parts of the constitution. they skipped parts they did not like. and some parts they skipped because they were reading it out of a loose leaf binder and the pages stuck together. right then we should have known that was a bad sign. john boehner did not even succeed in getting all of his members sworn in when he took over as speaker. two new republican members of congress went to a reception and missed the swearing in. they apparently saw it happening on a tv screen that was playing at the reception, and they sort of tried to swear themselves in by raising their right hand to the television. but
john boehner is not good at his job. we've ventured this as a hypothesis very early on in his speakership, i mean right from the beginning. it seemed like there might be something amiss, right? on the first day as speaker, he tried to have republicans pull off the stunt where they would read the whole constitution from the floor of the house. but even on day one, john boehner could not manage his own symbolic gesture. they skipped parts of the constitution. they skipped parts they did not like....
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john boehner failed to get enough support for his own fall back proposal, known as plan b. and with president obama and congress, on vacation, for christmas, longstanding issues remain this hour, unresolved and many asking the question, what does plan c look like? >> unfortunately, the president and senate democrats vowed to reject and veto all of our proposals. while failing to offer responsible solutions of their own. >> president barack obama: averting the middle class tax hike is not a democratic or a republican responsibility, with their votes the american people determined governing is a shared responsibility. between both parties. >> gregg: national correspondent steve centanni is live in washington. anything happening at all, before christmas? >> reporter: no. not much, gregg. the house is shut down through christmas and even as we get closer and closer to the fiscal cliff. no deal was reached this week that would keep taxes from going up for everyone at the end of the year and john boehner accusing the president of ducking the central issue in the fiscal stand off.
john boehner failed to get enough support for his own fall back proposal, known as plan b. and with president obama and congress, on vacation, for christmas, longstanding issues remain this hour, unresolved and many asking the question, what does plan c look like? >> unfortunately, the president and senate democrats vowed to reject and veto all of our proposals. while failing to offer responsible solutions of their own. >> president barack obama: averting the middle class tax hike...
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and it's not just speaker john boehner. he was not the one sort of leading the rabble of the one leading it, he did serve on the panel and he wasn't personally the force behind that. can the speaker ignore these groups because based on what we're seeing so far they're working against him. >> he can't ignore them and what the president has to do is simply peel off 26 or more republicans to get something passed. the problem here is that, you know, what can be done now. there are only two choices. compromise or crisis. the problem with the fiscal cliff is for most voters in this country, it's not a real crisis. it's a phony crisis. it's something like the end of the world that was supposed to happen yesterday that didn't happen. it was a crisis created by congress and we're not really likely to see serious action on deficit and debt reduction, unless and until the crisis hits people in the face and they say to their representatives you'd better do something or else and then they'll act. >> always a pleasure, bill schneider and
and it's not just speaker john boehner. he was not the one sort of leading the rabble of the one leading it, he did serve on the panel and he wasn't personally the force behind that. can the speaker ignore these groups because based on what we're seeing so far they're working against him. >> he can't ignore them and what the president has to do is simply peel off 26 or more republicans to get something passed. the problem here is that, you know, what can be done now. there are only two...
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i wouldn't want to be in john boehner's shoes rooity now. the most likely path of averting the fiscal cliff before the new year would be getting what president obama laid out yesterday and that was extending the bush-era tax cuts of $250,000 or below as well as extending unemployment insurance and if it sails through the senate and gets to the house and john boehner allows that to get up to a vote it would most likely pass without a majority of house republicans and that could infuriate the republican caucus. the other option for house speaker john boehner would be to hold firm to hold their ground. however, that's actually the most likely outcome to going over the fiscal cliff and all polls, actually show that republicans would bear the brunt of the blame for that. so i wouldn't want to be in john boehner's shoes right now. >> either way, if it is the first scenario that mark marked out for us, if not speaker boehner, then who might replace them should there be a revolt here? eric cantor, just a year ago we were watching 2011 and it seemed
i wouldn't want to be in john boehner's shoes rooity now. the most likely path of averting the fiscal cliff before the new year would be getting what president obama laid out yesterday and that was extending the bush-era tax cuts of $250,000 or below as well as extending unemployment insurance and if it sails through the senate and gets to the house and john boehner allows that to get up to a vote it would most likely pass without a majority of house republicans and that could infuriate the...
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why is john boehner saying it's up to the president? how do you see this whole thing playing out? >> well, i think speaker boehner had a really tough day. if this were a parliamentary system they'd throw him out as leader. he went to the caucus and they said we're not going to follow along. he they got 95% of what they wanted on the tax, maybe 99% and he said, well, i'm going to punt my responsibility, kick it to the senate, to the president and hope they can figure it out. the congress has the power of the purse strings. they have the ability to cut and spend on what they want to spend upon and to hear the speak her just say, that that's really up to somebody else is an abdication of responsibility. >> michael, michael, you and i both know, being washington d.c. insiders, it has to be compromise. let's look at what boehner's offered, offered part of the simpson-bowles plan, not good enough. in the second part of the proposal he took part of what nancy pelosi offered may of this year to raise taxes of 1 million and above. what has the president offered? and basically jamie with bo
why is john boehner saying it's up to the president? how do you see this whole thing playing out? >> well, i think speaker boehner had a really tough day. if this were a parliamentary system they'd throw him out as leader. he went to the caucus and they said we're not going to follow along. he they got 95% of what they wanted on the tax, maybe 99% and he said, well, i'm going to punt my responsibility, kick it to the senate, to the president and hope they can figure it out. the congress...
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house speaker john boehner said he is hopeful, but none theless of as the presidentov dubbinging the fiscal issue in the stapped off. boehner delivered the gop. >> the president has offedy will not do anything to solvelet speppeding problem and begins to the crippling debt. he wants more spending and tax hikes and that will hurt our economy . he refuses to challenge the members of his family to deal with entitlementriform and the big issues that are facing our nation. president obama said a deal could be reached but that appears unlikely. he took off for hawaii and landed with his family for a shorter than usual christmas break. he said he is it a hopeless optmist. he is scaling back and pushing for a tax cut for the middle class and calling for compromise. it can only pass from democrats and republicans and no one gets 100 percent of what they want. everyone has to give a bit in a sensible way. we move forward together or not at all. in addition to making bush era tax cuts permanent for the middle class. let president want to preserve unemployment benefits if congress doesn't act. t
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john boehner's animal house. we are bogey to talk to "the washington post" writer who says in boehner's house the animals are rampaging. what's that mean? we will have an answer for you in the next half hour. >>> nasty weather is lingering just before christmas. aaa predicts 93 million of us will be traveling long distances over the holidays. that includes those that are flying. with a hello to you. how is it looking out there? not too bad in terms of traffic behind you. >> that's exactly right. good afternoon. it isn't too bad. here chilly but sunny and no problems to report in atlanta. most major airports throughout the country are run okay. one exception may be san francisco. bus there were rain delays there earlier today. but -- traffic slowing down a few of the other airports. according to flight aware.com so far only about 70 nights cancelled in the u.s. so far today. that's a big difference from thursday and provide when that storm blew through the plains and midwest and the northeast. forcing the cancella
john boehner's animal house. we are bogey to talk to "the washington post" writer who says in boehner's house the animals are rampaging. what's that mean? we will have an answer for you in the next half hour. >>> nasty weather is lingering just before christmas. aaa predicts 93 million of us will be traveling long distances over the holidays. that includes those that are flying. with a hello to you. how is it looking out there? not too bad in terms of traffic behind you....
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house speaker john boehner used the g.o.p. weekly address to say republicans will maintain their focus on reaching a budget deal. >> i've challenged the members of our party to grapple with these issues. to make tough choices. and we're willing to. because washington is -- has a serious spending problem. this was the year, the size of our debt, all $16 trillion of it, surpassed the size of our entire economy. it is a grim milestone. >> this week, both sides continue to blame the other for not compromising. >>> it looks more likely than ever that eastern and gulf ports are going to be shut down by a longshoremen strike. nearly 15,000 dock workers at ports from boston to houston are ready to walk off the job as early as next weekend. their union says negotiations are still possible. but no new talks are scheduled. shippers and retailers are pleading with the union and cargo carriers to get back to talks and avert a major trade disruption that would affect half the country. >>> the population of the international space station do
house speaker john boehner used the g.o.p. weekly address to say republicans will maintain their focus on reaching a budget deal. >> i've challenged the members of our party to grapple with these issues. to make tough choices. and we're willing to. because washington is -- has a serious spending problem. this was the year, the size of our debt, all $16 trillion of it, surpassed the size of our entire economy. it is a grim milestone. >> this week, both sides continue to blame the...
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we've heard from president obama and house speaker john boehner over the past few hours. and it sounds publicly as if they are still quite far apart. take a listen. >> every member of congress believes that. every democrat, every republican. so there is absolutely no reason, none, not to protect these americans from a tax hike. and at the very least let's agree right now on what we already agree on. let's get that done. >> the president has offered so far simply won't do anything to solve our spending problem. and begin to address our nation's crippling debt. instead he wants more tax hikes and spending that will hurt our economy. >> a couple of three senate options could happen. one of them, go over the cliff and watch what happens. another push for a fall back measure and the third push for a broad deal. that is a wide range of things on the table, randi, particularly when you think of the date today and we have so few days left before this deadline that was imposed that was supposed to be a doomsday scenario. >> the higher taxes and paychecks, how concerned should we b
we've heard from president obama and house speaker john boehner over the past few hours. and it sounds publicly as if they are still quite far apart. take a listen. >> every member of congress believes that. every democrat, every republican. so there is absolutely no reason, none, not to protect these americans from a tax hike. and at the very least let's agree right now on what we already agree on. let's get that done. >> the president has offered so far simply won't do anything to...
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we also know before the president left, he talked by phone with house speaker john boehner. he met in person with harry reid, although what the private happened, we don't know. but publicly things sound a lot like they have for the past few weeks. take a listen. >> every member of congress believes that, every democrat, every republican. so there is absolutely no rea n reason, none, not to protect these americans from a tax hike. at the very least, let's agree right now what we already agree on. let's get that done. >> what the president has offered so far simply won't do anything to solve our spending problem and begin to address our nation's crippling debt. instead, he wants more spending, more tax hikes that will hurt our economy. >> bottom line, right now we're hearing a lot less talk about some sort of a grand bargain. and instead, maybe some stopgap measures to give some certainty to americans before that end of the year deadline. randi? >> and is it just the taxes that's holding out the agreement or something more at this point? >> it's hard to know exactly. it seems
we also know before the president left, he talked by phone with house speaker john boehner. he met in person with harry reid, although what the private happened, we don't know. but publicly things sound a lot like they have for the past few weeks. take a listen. >> every member of congress believes that, every democrat, every republican. so there is absolutely no rea n reason, none, not to protect these americans from a tax hike. at the very least, let's agree right now what we already...